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awesome to be here thanks so much for

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having us amazing place thank you so

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much thanks for coming so I read in a

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Pepperdine article about your transition

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that you feel sometimes friends don't

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ask you often enough how are you doing

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so I want to start with that question

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how am i doing I'm doing amazing you

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know at the time that I did that

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interview I was class president at

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Pepperdine for three years at that point

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and I felt I really owed my class and my

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peers an explanation as to why I would

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be taking a semester off and leaving my

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post as president because I was you know

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that was the best part of my college

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experience was being in student

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government and you know when I wrote

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that article I kind of felt like

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everyone was really wondering what's

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going on in your life you know I noticed

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these physical changes I noticed you've

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kind of drawn back socially is a pre

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transition right this is during my

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transition but I was not full-time as

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Sophia at that point so you know I was

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going through this transition and people

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would notice gradual changes from

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hormones minor procedures hair removal

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that kind of thing and you know people

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would automatically have these questions

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like what's going on you know your nose

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looked a little different or you know

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your hair's getting a little longer and

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it wasn't really focused on how are you

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doing so I thought that was kind of a

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nice way to end that article don't focus

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on the physical stuff the physical

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changes are obvious worry about how the

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person is doing in general when people

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are going through changes in their lives

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and that's kind of you know why I wanted

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to end that article on that note so but

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I really mean it how you know how are

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you doing you know really genuinely

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honestly how are you feeling now it's

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been a whirlwind

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yeah or two yeah well I started

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transitioning when I was 18 years old

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right when I got to college and I you

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know I think the most Awkward

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uncomfortable time for me was

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in between time when I was transitioning

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and not really telling everyone about it

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telling anyone about it and once I

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finally got through and you know became

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Sofia to the world I've been so happy

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since then I've graduated college I have

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had amazing professional opportunities

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being the executive director of the

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Caitlyn Jenner foundation and being

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Caitlyn's business manager and

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personally you know I I'm just so much

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more open with my family my friends I

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feel I can have more genuine connections

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and then physically after going through

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the necessary medical treatment to deal

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with dysphoria I feel liberated beyond

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belief so for me I just feel like I'm

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thriving so no regrets so far no regrets

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whatsoever you know there are things

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that I do look back on and think should

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I done it should I have done this a

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little bit differently probably but

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those are so minor in the big scheme of

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things in the big picture I'm so happy

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with where I am and what the

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opportunities that have been given to me

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and that I've worked for and overall no

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regrets so prior to this announcement

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that you did at Pepperdine and I believe

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it was November of 16 yes you were known

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as a game man

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I never identified myself publicly as

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gay not because I did not feel that I

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was attracted to men but I didn't feel

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that gay represented me I had so many

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gay friends you know I lived in Beverly

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Hills at the time I was around the West

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Hollywood crowd and I just never felt

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like I fit in with the gay world I felt

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there's something further along here

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than just being gay so for me it was

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more about my identity as a female which

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I was able to you know explore through a

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lot of conversations with therapists and

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undergoing the appropriate medical

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treatment for myself so I wouldn't say I

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identified as a gay male though I had

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always been with really strong men

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pepperdine is a Christian University so

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being gay or being trans at Pepperdine

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how was that received there well at

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first when I was there you know the

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world saw me or the school saw me as gay

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like I said I didn't see that inside but

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they saw me as gay because I would be

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you know being I was dating a guy I had

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a long-term relationship and and that

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was received okay but then when I came

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out as trans so publicly at the school

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it you know people were never mean to my

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face never rude to me on a personal

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level but behind the scenes I think it

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was weird because I was the first

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transgender person to ever graduate from

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Pepperdine I was the first transgender

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person to ever be in student government

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as president at Pepperdine and I was

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also in the economics and finance

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program which was totally male-dominated

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and for me that was actually really an

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empowering moment to see you can go

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through this be a beautiful woman and

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keep up with the boys and that was a

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huge learning experience for me and it

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made me feel really confident in my

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womanhood so I really liked that a lot

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in fact when I went back to school after

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I fully medically transitioned I took

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the semester off to do that my first day

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I remember a couple of guys in like the

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upper division econ classes that I had

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been in classes with for four years said

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who are you I haven't seen you in the

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encanta partment before nice and Sophia

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Hutchins you know that's a good time at

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anything to break out this picture which

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is you know all of the but you know who

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kicks that on camera but you could see

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why maybe they didn't recognize you well

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that picture the tabloids love

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sensationalizing the before and after

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first of all that picture was when I was

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13 years old really that younger I was

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13 years old and it was a debate team

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and they love sensationalizing this

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before your like this dorky looking

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thirteen-year-old boy

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and then after your this you know people

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call me a model this beautiful woman and

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you know for me that's a little

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sensationalized before and after but

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that's definitely not representative

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yeah I mean it really does and like you

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said they're probably sensational is

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because it really does look like you

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know two different people yeah I was

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going Richie Cunningham if you ever saw

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happy days here and then I'm going of

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Anka Trump uh here thank you take is a

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nice compliment I agree I could Ivanka a

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lot yeah we do a lot of political work

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political lobbying and I remember one

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night I was seated with the secretary of

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the Treasury Steven minuchin whose wife

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also went to Pepperdine and looks a lot

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like me and you know there's press all

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over this event and one member of the

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press asked oh my god are you would Vonk

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a trump can I get a picture and I said

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no I'm not I'm Sophie actions and then

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because I'm sitting next to the

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secretary of the Treasury mister

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minuchin they say oh my god are you

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Isabelle minuchin and I said no I'm

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Sophia Hutchins so not all of us blonde

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girls are the same but ya know I get

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that a lot and I take it totally as a

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compliment

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yeah so I mean I could they could say

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worse than exactly so stain on the on

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the physical I imagine that you're

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probably quite pleased with how the

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physical has turned out being as

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beautiful as you are thank you so much I

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am very pleased but you know there is a

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dark side to being a pretty woman and

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you you know being on the other side

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felt like my transition wasn't that big

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of a change for me I always felt like I

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was a more effeminate boy when I was a

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boy and never like a macho masculine guy

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realized oh my goodness when you're a

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beautiful woman in the position that I'm

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in in business negotiating with usually

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business deals or raising money you are

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viewed very differently and you deal

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with sexism in the workplace especially

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in Hollywood because you're kind of just

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seen as a pretty face and I've made it

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my mission and my passion to fight for

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women trans ANSYS that you can be

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beautiful as can be and you know a

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badass in the in a negotiating

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room and I love that and I think for me

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to try to prove that regardless putting

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the trans thing aside just women have so

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much power and use that feminine power

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that you have and that's that's what I

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try to do with that beauty we've talked

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about Sabrina Richmond my fraternity

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brother my sister and and she was my

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first interview for my transgender

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movement and you'll you'll you may end

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up being the bookend to that but one of

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the things that I learned from her this

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interesting that a lot of people don't

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realize is that as a trans person you

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truly know both sides of the equation

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you've lived as a male and you can see

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things from a male perspective and now

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as a female you can see things from a

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female perspective and she almost felt

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like she's a super person to have this

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this knowledge of both sides he gives

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you an edge you know that is a really

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interesting point and I hear that a lot

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for me I transitioned at such a young

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age I didn't really have that male

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privilege a lot of people did a lot of

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people did when they transitioned it a

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much older age like someone like Sabrina

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and not to discredit at all what

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Sabrina's saying she's absolutely

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correct she gets to see both sides and a

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couple of months ago I was at Facebook

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doing some work with iBook all of

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Caitlyn's speeches and corporate

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appearances and one of them was at

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Facebook with all the LGBT employees and

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we met with Sheryl Sandberg and she said

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the best data on sexism comes from trans

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women that transitioned later in life

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and one of my good friends who's now on

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the board of our foundation the caitlyn

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jenner foundation is a woman named

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Debbie Ferguson Debbie transitioned

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had worked extremely successfully in

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Silicon Valley she created software sold

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it to Google and then worked at Facebook

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for 15 years and now she's back at

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Google and she's a trans woman and she

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transitioned later in life and she's

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case in point she said I'll be in board

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meetings now beautiful woman

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transitioned very well completely

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she gets asked in meetings with

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executives from other companies so whose

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secretary are you or whose assistant are

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you and she says well actually I'm a

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managing director at Facebook I run our

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engineering program and I see that in my

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life

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all the time you know you can look at

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how the media depicts me they depict me

275
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as a 21 year old which I'm not even 21

276
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22 year old model

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I've never modeled a day in my life I'm

278
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you know thank you I'm pretty but so

279
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much more than just the looks and you

280
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really see that Sheryl Sandberg's point

281
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if that's the best data point for

282
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gathering sexism when people transition

283
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later in life and how they're treated

284
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after the transition versus before is so

285
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fascinating to me so we talked about the

286
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foundation and your role there let's

287
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talk about your relationship with

288
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Caitlyn how did you guys first meet

289
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Caitlyn and I met through we met about

290
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four years ago three years ago through

291
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our makeup artist in our hair stylist so

292
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this is pre announcement at Pepperdine

293
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this was pre announcement at Pepperdine

294
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yes but at that point I had told family

295
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close friends okay mmm and had been

296
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transitioning at that point for a few

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who incidentally you were sharing the

298
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same hairdresser yes okay and then the

299
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hairdresser introduced you yep and did

300
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you talk about transition at that time

301
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with Caitlyn the hairdresser I went to I

302
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told her what was going on I said you

303
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know I'm trying to grow my hair out and

304
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she's like why are you trying to grow

305
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your hair out and I explained to her you

306
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know I'm transitioning and would like to

307
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keep it going a little longer and she

308
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said oh my god you won't believe who is

309
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another client and I said who she's had

310
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Caitlyn Jenner

311
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and you know at the time I lived well I

312
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went to Pepperdine but I lived in

313
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Beverly Hills at that time and she

314
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introduced us and we kicked it off and

315
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developed a great relationship so was

316
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she really instrumental in assisting you

317
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through the process no you know I well

318
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in some ways you know I've read reports

319
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that Caitlin paid for my sexual

320
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reassignment surgery or paid for gender

321
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affirming surgeries not true at all us

322
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you know she was there for me

323
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emotionally for sure she would call and

324
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check up on me but we weren't you know

325
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in a relationship or really close as we

326
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were after I completed my transition

327
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mm-hmm so and when did it become a

328
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romantic relationship I you know I

329
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wouldn't describe it as a romantic

330
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relationship

331
00:14:23,790 --> 00:14:22,029
we're partners you know we're business

332
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partners I'm the executive director of

333
00:14:30,809 --> 00:14:28,000
her foundation you know we have so much

334
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in common we see the world so similarly

335
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and we both are such a good match for

336
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each other because we challenge each

337
00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:39,360
other she challenges me in so many ways

338
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has allowed me to grow in so many ways

339
00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:45,639
and I hope you know I challenge her to

340
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grow and I think because we share so

341
00:14:53,249 --> 00:14:51,670
many of the same passions and views you

342
00:14:56,129 --> 00:14:53,259
know it's just a great match a great

343
00:14:59,370 --> 00:14:56,139
partnership we are living together we do

344
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live together yes okay so you know I'd

345
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be you know just to kind of the elephant

346
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in the room a lot of people are

347
00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:03,880
wondering you know is this romantic or

348
00:15:07,019 --> 00:15:05,470
is it not I think it's kind of important

349
00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:07,029
just to kind of put that issue to bed

350
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:08,410
rather think I don't think it's that

351
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important no no I think it's unfortunate

352
00:15:18,540 --> 00:15:16,509
that the media has fixated on - is it

353
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romantic or is it not you know I don't

354
00:15:22,290 --> 00:15:20,350
think we need to talk about is it

355
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romantic or not we're partners and

356
00:15:26,910 --> 00:15:24,699
everything we do we're inseparable we're

357
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business partners we live together we

358
00:15:32,850 --> 00:15:29,110
share a dog we share family we share a

359
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life together but as far as caving in to

360
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the media

361
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and having one of us label it as

362
00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:37,589
something we're not going to do that

363
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well one of the things that perhaps are

364
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:42,760
just distracting from the trans issues

365
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that you guys want to advocate for is

366
00:15:50,070 --> 00:15:49,270
this what do they call it November - so

367
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what were they called when the

368
00:15:52,769 --> 00:15:52,120
relationship is anyway the age

369
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difference

370
00:15:59,250 --> 00:15:56,709
68 and 22 how do you feel about you know

371
00:16:02,040 --> 00:15:59,260
there's a lot of focus on that how do

372
00:16:03,329 --> 00:16:02,050
you explain how a 68 year old a 22 year

373
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old could have such an intimate

374
00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:06,070
relationship as you guys have well it's

375
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unfortunate again that the media is so

376
00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:11,520
fixated on these sensationalized stories

377
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:15,690
everything has to be a big sensation and

378
00:16:24,079 --> 00:16:19,839
you know I don't see age as a factor in

379
00:16:28,050 --> 00:16:24,089
our relationship I see we are two souls

380
00:16:31,290 --> 00:16:28,060
that are a fantastic match for one

381
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another and I feel that we're so blessed

382
00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:33,580
to have found each other and to be so

383
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supportive of one another

384
00:16:40,890 --> 00:16:37,089
in everything that we do and you know I

385
00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:40,900
feel beyond blessed that you know we've

386
00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:43,450
been able to keep it going for the time

387
00:16:47,220 --> 00:16:44,860
we've been able to keep it going I don't

388
00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:47,230
think of the age differences anything

389
00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:49,330
Caitlyn has more energy than me most

390
00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:51,700
days Caitlyn's out playing 18 holes of

391
00:16:56,430 --> 00:16:53,500
golf and I'm like oh my god I'm

392
00:16:58,620 --> 00:16:56,440
exhausted I just want to go chill you

393
00:17:00,960 --> 00:16:58,630
know yeah well I'm 19 years older than

394
00:17:02,340 --> 00:17:00,970
my fiancee and I get the same thing I

395
00:17:04,290 --> 00:17:02,350
tend to have more energy than her but

396
00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:04,300
not quite the difference of you guys I

397
00:17:07,740 --> 00:17:06,130
did try to do some research and I found

398
00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:07,750
Hugh Hefner was the only one I could

399
00:17:14,819 --> 00:17:10,750
identify with a bigger age cap than you

400
00:17:17,250 --> 00:17:14,829
two so pH gap is there but we don't feel

401
00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:17,260
that it's there I think the media feels

402
00:17:21,090 --> 00:17:18,339
that it's there because it is

403
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:21,100
sensationalized it's it's it sells

404
00:17:27,689 --> 00:17:23,970
papers it sells articles it sells clicks

405
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:27,699
but for us it's not even a factor and

406
00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:29,770
what you know we talk about sexual

407
00:17:35,310 --> 00:17:32,950
orientation so if you're a trans woman

408
00:17:37,470 --> 00:17:35,320
with a trans woman does that mean trans

409
00:17:39,870 --> 00:17:37,480
lesbian is that the right terminology

410
00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:39,880
Porter you know I wouldn't even go down

411
00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:43,110
that road I think that my sexual

412
00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:45,150
orientation is

413
00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:47,990
something that I need to discuss I think

414
00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:52,770
you know I am I choose to be with

415
00:17:59,780 --> 00:17:56,190
someone based on the person and the

416
00:18:00,560 --> 00:17:59,790
person happens to be a trans woman and I

417
00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:00,570
think that's great

418
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:02,370
had you ever dated a transgendered

419
00:18:06,620 --> 00:18:04,770
person before I would not say we're

420
00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:06,630
dating first of all I would back up I

421
00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:10,140
would say we are partners I would not

422
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:11,670
use the word girlfriend I would not use

423
00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:16,290
the word dating we're partners and no I

424
00:18:23,180 --> 00:18:18,540
had never been with anyone that was not

425
00:18:23,810 --> 00:18:23,190
a male so there's haters out there on

426
00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:23,820
the Internet

427
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,220
yes let's go through just a couple of

428
00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:27,600
them I just help you set the record

429
00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:29,370
straight I mean the obvious one is this

430
00:18:33,370 --> 00:18:30,510
is all for publicity

431
00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:33,380
this isn't this relationship isn't real

432
00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:37,830
not gonna respond this was one that I

433
00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:39,780
find hopefully you'll get a chuckle out

434
00:18:44,030 --> 00:18:41,910
of this one but they say that yes Sophia

435
00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:44,040
transition she transitioned to being our

436
00:18:50,660 --> 00:18:49,230
Kardashian my goodness well I think they

437
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:50,670
mean that in the sense that you know now

438
00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:52,770
you are an Instagram and you are

439
00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:55,260
beautiful and and out there and I know

440
00:18:57,980 --> 00:18:56,940
they're saying your model perhaps you're

441
00:19:00,080 --> 00:18:57,990
not modeling but there appear to be

442
00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:00,090
modeling pictures and so on and suddenly

443
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:03,630
you're in this that type of world do you

444
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:05,250
feel like you're in that type of world

445
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:08,880
now no I'm a businesswoman because I am

446
00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:10,890
pretty and I post a pretty picture on

447
00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:13,590
Instagram suddenly I'm a model and you

448
00:19:19,010 --> 00:19:15,900
know hats off to the Kardashians and

449
00:19:23,060 --> 00:19:19,020
Jenner's they have channeled the

450
00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:23,070
ultimate power a woman could channel you

451
00:19:30,260 --> 00:19:25,800
know they are all smart business women

452
00:19:33,169 --> 00:19:30,270
they are all extremely hard workers and

453
00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:33,179
I look up to all of them and I think you

454
00:19:37,910 --> 00:19:35,220
know being raised by Bruce and being

455
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:37,920
raised by Kris really influenced them

456
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:39,570
and I couldn't be prouder of all of them

457
00:19:42,860 --> 00:19:41,730
more proud of all of them and do you

458
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:42,870
have a relationship with his children

459
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,610
and grandchildren sorry yes you know the

460
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:50,240
family is all extremely nice to me

461
00:19:56,110 --> 00:19:53,520
extremely welcoming we just had lunch

462
00:20:00,080 --> 00:19:56,120
with Kylie and little stormy yesterday

463
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:00,090
and you know I couldn't I feel very

464
00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:04,530
welcomed that you connected with Caitlyn

465
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:07,740
because you couldn't find a job couldn't

466
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:11,490
find a job okay well I was the president

467
00:20:16,430 --> 00:20:14,160
of my class for three years I

468
00:20:20,660 --> 00:20:16,440
interviewed at every bank on Wall Street

469
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:20,670
Goldman Sachs Merrill Lynch Credit

470
00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:23,850
Suisse lists JPMorgan Chase the list

471
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:26,520
goes on I could have found a job my job

472
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,770
now is so much more fun and I love that

473
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:33,840
I'm at the intersection of entertainment

474
00:20:39,050 --> 00:20:37,410
business and philanthropy yeah let's

475
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:39,060
talk about what you're doing as her

476
00:20:42,169 --> 00:20:40,050
manager

477
00:20:44,890 --> 00:20:42,179
yeah what what are you hoping to achieve

478
00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:44,900
by being her manager I've achieved a lot

479
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:48,990
for her basically our business is broken

480
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:50,580
down in a few different segments we have

481
00:20:56,330 --> 00:20:54,210
public speaking we have media

482
00:20:59,419 --> 00:20:56,340
appearances and then we have endorsement

483
00:21:02,419 --> 00:20:59,429
deals and between me

484
00:21:04,820 --> 00:21:02,429
our legal team and our public relations

485
00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:04,830
team we're able to get deals done really

486
00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:08,190
nicely between that team and myself

487
00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:11,400
managing our team and you know I think

488
00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:14,220
it's been fabulous so there's the

489
00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:16,470
business side of managing her and then

490
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:19,320
there's the advocacy side major right so

491
00:21:24,290 --> 00:21:21,210
on the advocacy side to dress that as

492
00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:24,300
her manager I like to merge the two I

493
00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:26,760
think everything Caitlyn does has to

494
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:29,190
have a philanthropic twist that

495
00:21:34,930 --> 00:21:32,970
philanthropic deal that she did with mac

496
00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:34,940
cosmetics Estee Lauder

497
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,070
you know there was the business side in

498
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,400
your getting paid to license your name

499
00:21:45,980 --> 00:21:42,960
but there is the philanthropic side

500
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:45,990
where a percentage of all sales goes to

501
00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:49,760
the transgender max transgender

502
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:52,260
initiative in the AIDS Fund so things

503
00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:53,610
like that when you get an endorsement

504
00:21:57,500 --> 00:21:55,500
deal a percentage of proceeds or a

505
00:22:00,620 --> 00:21:57,510
percentage of profits or an annual

506
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:00,630
guarantee of some kind goes to charity

507
00:22:04,940 --> 00:22:02,850
I love blending those two things

508
00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:04,950
together and I think because we are in

509
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:07,380
the privileged position of the trans

510
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:09,810
community that's our obligation that's

511
00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:11,370
my obligation as her business

512
00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:15,000
manager that's her obligation erect not

513
00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:18,270
her obligation to do any philanthropy

514
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:20,070
but we're blessed to be in positions

515
00:22:24,650 --> 00:22:23,010
that we're in where we can do that yeah

516
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:24,660
I mean she is arguably the most famous

517
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:26,970
transgendered person yeah in the world

518
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,850
definitely and with that comes

519
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:30,000
obligations

520
00:22:35,780 --> 00:22:32,220
I would imagine she feels and you feel

521
00:22:37,549 --> 00:22:35,790
she definitely feels a tremendous sense

522
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:37,559
of obligation to helping the trans

523
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:40,740
community because as you know the

524
00:22:48,220 --> 00:22:44,880
community is so marginalized you know as

525
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:48,230
the executive director of the foundation

526
00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:50,730
where I spend most of my time is raising

527
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:53,460
money but on the flip side of that what

528
00:22:57,740 --> 00:22:55,740
do we do when we have you know a ton of

529
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,750
money raised we have to give it away

530
00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:00,480
and I get to vet organizations to give

531
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:02,370
it away to and in the process of vetting

532
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:04,260
those organizations you know I'm looking

533
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:05,940
over financial statements I'm looking

534
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:08,970
over 990s you know you look over all

535
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:11,090
these forms and balance sheets and

536
00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:13,020
income statements and when you're

537
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:15,630
looking through what these extremely

538
00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:17,730
marginalised organizations are running

539
00:23:23,540 --> 00:23:19,860
their operations on and they're making

540
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:23,550
such a difference in doing so you really

541
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,120
realize wow we have a tremendous

542
00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:29,760
responsibility to not only identify

543
00:23:34,910 --> 00:23:33,059
these organizations but help them most

544
00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:34,920
trans organizations that we end up

545
00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:37,350
supporting have operating budgets under

546
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:41,550
$10,000 a year so you know our donations

547
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:43,500
are often the largest donations that

548
00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:45,929
they've ever received because they are

549
00:23:50,780 --> 00:23:48,900
the Forgotten of the LGB MT so it must

550
00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:50,790
be frustrating for you though to have

551
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:53,910
the media so focused on the nature of

552
00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:56,880
the relationship between you two - and

553
00:24:01,549 --> 00:23:58,380
it's pushing aside the other things you

554
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:01,559
guys wanna it is that is a frustration

555
00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:05,760
to me but I do realize like we said

556
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:07,980
earlier the media loves a

557
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,470
sensationalized story they love oh the

558
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:12,720
new car - the new Kardashian wannabe

559
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:16,050
you know I mean come on no way what

560
00:24:20,540 --> 00:24:17,580
about engage they say engagements no

561
00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:20,550
engagement if I was engaged I would

562
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:22,470
announce that I was engaged

563
00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:24,840
katelyn you know and I were to be

564
00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:26,340
engaged we would announce that we're not

565
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:29,070
ashamed of our relationship at all but

566
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:31,250
would you like to have some privacy and

567
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:34,110
that's something you know that we would

568
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:37,320
decide when the time was right to

569
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:39,480
announce so we've talked about what

570
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,980
you're trying to achieve for for Caitlyn

571
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:43,440
what about for yourself you you're now

572
00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:46,529
in this position of notoriety and being

573
00:24:48,919 --> 00:24:48,059
able to assist Caitlyn what she's doing

574
00:24:52,399 --> 00:24:48,929
what do you hope to achieve for yourself

575
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:52,409
ultimately well I think and what we are

576
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:54,840
doing I'm achieving a lot for myself I

577
00:24:58,159 --> 00:24:56,250
don't know a lot of 22 year olds that

578
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:58,169
have done you know million-dollar

579
00:25:02,180 --> 00:25:00,120
endorsement seals to you I don't know a

580
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:02,190
lot of 22 year olds that have found

581
00:25:06,619 --> 00:25:04,289
investors for companies and that have

582
00:25:09,249 --> 00:25:06,629
ultimately started companies so I feel

583
00:25:12,139 --> 00:25:09,259
you know I'm just adding a lot of

584
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:12,149
experiences that are invaluable but with

585
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:14,370
those experiences also being in the

586
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:17,340
public eye kind of takes a toll on you

587
00:25:23,659 --> 00:25:20,370
if you let it and I've learned you know

588
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:23,669
as I as we've been together how to

589
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:27,600
handle that in healthier ways and you

590
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:29,220
know let haters hate you're not going to

591
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:31,049
change the haters minds and you just

592
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,730
keep doing what you know is right in the

593
00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:34,740
in the end you'll prevail so do you have

594
00:25:37,940 --> 00:25:36,539
a vision for yourself career-wise down

595
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,950
the road for instance I've read you know

596
00:25:40,369 --> 00:25:39,120
at one point you wanted to be a

597
00:25:42,619 --> 00:25:40,379
corporate finance lawyer

598
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,629
another thing indicated them you might

599
00:25:45,259 --> 00:25:44,159
be in some politics down the road what

600
00:25:47,899 --> 00:25:45,269
do you envision for yourself down the

601
00:25:50,539 --> 00:25:47,909
road politics no when I was younger I

602
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:50,549
did think a lot about politics

603
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:52,620
and when I say younger I mean high

604
00:25:58,639 --> 00:25:56,370
school days I in high school I was the

605
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:58,649
state debate champion for two years in a

606
00:26:03,499 --> 00:26:00,360
row I was nationally ranked for three

607
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:03,509
years in a row my high school experience

608
00:26:07,580 --> 00:26:05,610
was very different than most people's

609
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:07,590
high school experience I was on the road

610
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:10,500
every weekend literally every weekend to

611
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:12,090
the East Coast at a debate tournament

612
00:26:15,379 --> 00:26:13,769
and did extraordinarily well in debate

613
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,389
so I kind of thought maybe I want to go

614
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:17,100
down the law school political road and

615
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:18,659
then I got to college and I said wait I

616
00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:20,220
love business I want to go on Wall

617
00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:22,470
Street and then I met Caitlyn and I

618
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:23,759
realized I can do business

619
00:26:29,389 --> 00:26:27,210
two big deals be part be a part of big

620
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:29,399
projects and then also in the

621
00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:32,279
entertainment world I love it you know I

622
00:26:39,370 --> 00:26:35,270
see my future as

623
00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:39,380
a businesswoman as a philanthropist as

624
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,750
someone that gets done so let's

625
00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:46,640
talk about your transition it seems as

626
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:47,990
you said you were an overachiever

627
00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:50,480
in high school well thank you things

628
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:52,700
seem to be going extremely well for you

629
00:26:55,810 --> 00:26:55,130
and you're going to Pepperdine in Malibu

630
00:26:57,790 --> 00:26:55,820
Thanks

631
00:26:59,230 --> 00:26:57,800
it seems to be somewhat in congruence

632
00:27:02,440 --> 00:26:59,240
with other trans stories where they're

633
00:27:03,370 --> 00:27:02,450
really struggling so yeah why didn't

634
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:03,380
seem like you were struggling were you

635
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:05,930
struggling you know I had I think the

636
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:08,480
easiest transition anyone could possibly

637
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:11,810
have I grew up with my grandparents and

638
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:14,960
my grandparents were entirely supportive

639
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:18,590
of my transition I was in a really good

640
00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:21,590
high school a really elite college prep

641
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:23,720
school in Seattle Catholic school

642
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:27,530
Catholic school which was a phenomenal

643
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:29,030
experience because of debate and then I

644
00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:32,090
got into a pretty decent college I got

645
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:33,830
into Emory University University of

646
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:37,130
Virginia and Pepperdine and I ultimately

647
00:27:40,510 --> 00:27:38,480
went with Pepperdine because they gave

648
00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:40,520
me the best deal I'm a businesswoman

649
00:27:45,370 --> 00:27:42,140
have to remember so they gave me the

650
00:27:47,260 --> 00:27:45,380
biggest scholarship that was great based

651
00:27:50,290 --> 00:27:47,270
merit-based service were you into

652
00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:50,300
athletics at all in never no actually

653
00:27:55,150 --> 00:27:52,940
living with in living with the greatest

654
00:27:57,220 --> 00:27:55,160
athlete in the world has turned me more

655
00:28:00,820 --> 00:27:57,230
into an athlete and now I'm like a golf

656
00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:00,830
fanatic but that's beside the point you

657
00:28:09,310 --> 00:28:04,550
know I would say that I always wanted a

658
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:09,320
lot my grandparents raised me to chase

659
00:28:14,290 --> 00:28:12,470
my dreams my grandparents chased their

660
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:14,300
dreams my grandfather grew up in a town

661
00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:17,210
of 30 people in rural Vermont and no one

662
00:28:21,490 --> 00:28:19,580
ever left that town you either went into

663
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,500
the military or you went to work at a

664
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:23,600
granite quarry my grandfather went to

665
00:28:29,410 --> 00:28:27,170
college and I and Iowa and married my

666
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:29,420
grandmother they lived two doors down

667
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:31,720
from each other in this small town and

668
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:35,120
moved to New York and then eventually

669
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,850
moved to Seattle worked at Boeing for 25

670
00:28:41,050 --> 00:28:39,440
years then became an independent

671
00:28:44,110 --> 00:28:41,060
contractor for the govt designing

672
00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:44,120
rockets he was a rocket scientist and he

673
00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:47,030
was my number one inspiration and

674
00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:48,920
someone that I still look up to

675
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:51,830
to this day of how I want to live my

676
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:55,610
life and model my life after so for me

677
00:29:01,600 --> 00:28:58,370
being raised by such a supportive family

678
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,610
being in a college where I know you know

679
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:03,200
if I worked my butt off I could get a

680
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:07,610
job afterwards and then you know going

681
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:10,010
through a transition where I was able to

682
00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:12,350
get the medically necessary treatment

683
00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:13,790
for me

684
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:16,790
I'm just so privileged and so blessed to

685
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:18,710
be in that position so why is it that

686
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,330
you were raised by your grandparents I

687
00:29:26,050 --> 00:29:23,360
grew up with my grandparents primarily

688
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:26,060
because my parents had divorced at a

689
00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:29,900
really young age and I was in a school

690
00:29:34,090 --> 00:29:32,150
district I wasn't so they didn't have a

691
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:34,100
lot of money when they divorced my mom I

692
00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:37,970
lived with a single mom and they didn't

693
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:39,500
have a lot of money at the time so they

694
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:41,810
couldn't send me to to a good school and

695
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:43,250
I needed to be in a good school because

696
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:47,330
I was just you know not being challenged

697
00:29:50,290 --> 00:29:48,110
at all

698
00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:50,300
so I moved in with my grandparents

699
00:29:56,050 --> 00:29:52,670
because they could they had the means to

700
00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:56,060
send me to a really good school and how

701
00:29:58,570 --> 00:29:57,230
was your relationship now with your

702
00:30:00,490 --> 00:29:58,580
parents you still maintained a

703
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:00,500
relationship with him I'm not super

704
00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:03,170
close with my parents I never really

705
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:06,380
have been I'm closer with my mom than I

706
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:08,990
am with my dad and we have a great

707
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:12,290
relationship we talk every day

708
00:30:15,910 --> 00:30:14,210
Caitlin calls her mom in the morning I

709
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:15,920
called my mom in the morning and then I

710
00:30:23,050 --> 00:30:17,510
called my grandmother right after that

711
00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:23,060
and it's really nice and but essentially

712
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:24,920
when you were a child it was you were

713
00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:25,970
living with your grandparents and that's

714
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:28,820
in in Washington yes in Seattle mm-hmm

715
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:31,430
and where was mom and dad were they at

716
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:33,110
least in the same yeah they were in the

717
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:36,230
same area just about 45 minutes out of

718
00:30:39,490 --> 00:30:38,180
Seattle so we talked about you have an

719
00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:39,500
easy transition

720
00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:42,620
we know that suicide suicidal thoughts

721
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,870
common in the trans community yeah is

722
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:46,880
that something that was ever part of

723
00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:52,130
your experience I never had the

724
00:30:57,670 --> 00:30:54,860
inclination I never had the thought I

725
00:30:59,890 --> 00:30:57,680
could see why people would you know

726
00:31:01,360 --> 00:30:59,900
because I am very familiar with the

727
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:01,370
struggles of the community through my

728
00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:02,480
work at the foundation

729
00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:07,300
in vetting out various organizations and

730
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,980
you know the suicide rate is 10 times

731
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:11,600
higher than the general public the

732
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,690
general public has a 4.7 time or 4.7%

733
00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:17,120
suicide rate the trans community has a

734
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:22,760
40% suicide rate and you know I was just

735
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:25,820
so lucky that I was in a supportive

736
00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:29,630
family and I felt that when I got

737
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:31,220
through this transition I was gonna make

738
00:31:37,090 --> 00:31:33,370
it on to the other side and be just fine

739
00:31:40,510 --> 00:31:37,100
so when did you start first feeling like

740
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:40,520
perhaps him in the wrong body oh four or

741
00:31:45,610 --> 00:31:42,710
five years old I remember telling my

742
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,620
parents I remember telling my parents

743
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:47,840
grandparents our parents sorry parents

744
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:49,970
because my parents divorced at five when

745
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:51,530
I was five years old so it was while

746
00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:53,090
they were still raising me when I was

747
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:56,750
really young I remember telling them I

748
00:32:04,740 --> 00:31:59,840
said you know something about I don't

749
00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:04,750
know why I have a penis and they said oh

750
00:32:10,030 --> 00:32:08,150
okay well that's interesting and kind of

751
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:10,040
swept it under the rug that was my first

752
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:11,900
memory of ever bringing up gender

753
00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:14,720
dysphoria to them and for me that was

754
00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:18,500
the kind of the first time I ever

755
00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:21,680
publicly expressed that and then in high

756
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:23,480
school I was in a long-term relationship

757
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:27,260
with the guy who was a few years older

758
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:30,650
than me not is not 45 years older than

759
00:32:34,690 --> 00:32:33,290
me like Caitlyn but a few years older

760
00:32:38,170 --> 00:32:34,700
than me and I remember telling him I

761
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:38,180
said you know I need to do something

762
00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:40,610
because this isn't right you know I just

763
00:32:47,290 --> 00:32:43,720
feel really just for akin this body and

764
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:47,300
I felt like my soul my personality is

765
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:51,050
exactly the same as it was then but my

766
00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:53,330
body just reflects how I feel on the

767
00:32:59,770 --> 00:32:57,620
inside so Sabrina to refer to her again

768
00:33:02,560 --> 00:32:59,780
refer to it as having a female spirits

769
00:33:04,420 --> 00:33:02,570
how would you describe what gender

770
00:33:07,030 --> 00:33:04,430
dysphoria and ultimately transgenderism

771
00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:07,040
was to you yeah I think it's so

772
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:09,680
different for everyone

773
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:16,130
for me I truly feel my spirit my soul my

774
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:19,640
is exactly the same I am just so much

775
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:22,640
more comfortable physically you know

776
00:33:28,779 --> 00:33:26,090
before I transitioned I felt like yeah

777
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:28,789
I'm definitely just a girl but I'm in

778
00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:31,370
the wrong body and I felt trapped in

779
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:34,100
that body and I needed to have the

780
00:33:38,919 --> 00:33:36,950
hormones to change the body for me the

781
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:38,929
surgeries to change the body and I

782
00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:41,150
emphasize for me because I realized not

783
00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:43,340
everyone needs that to feel like a woman

784
00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:45,740
but for me that's what I wanted to do

785
00:33:49,779 --> 00:33:48,380
and that's what made me ultimately so at

786
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:49,789
peace

787
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:54,289
so yeah does that answer your question

788
00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:56,510
well a bit I mean it Braves it the

789
00:34:01,740 --> 00:33:57,950
ultimate question you know what is this

790
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:01,750
you know what is transgendered yeah uh

791
00:34:10,899 --> 00:34:06,080
transgender to me is you know someone

792
00:34:15,070 --> 00:34:10,909
that was born either male or female sex

793
00:34:18,369 --> 00:34:15,080
and wants to change their the way the

794
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:18,379
world perceives their sex and do you

795
00:34:26,349 --> 00:34:23,090
ponder what the causes of it is no I

796
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:26,359
think I truly was made this way so yeah

797
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:27,710
that and that's what I meant by spirit

798
00:34:32,109 --> 00:34:29,690
that Sabrina basically feels like she

799
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,119
was born with a female spirit that's how

800
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:34,879
she defines it yeah how it would you

801
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:36,290
define it I think that's a great

802
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:41,590
definition born with female spirit born

803
00:34:47,290 --> 00:34:45,200
you know society really defines male and

804
00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:47,300
female Society defines masculine and

805
00:34:53,260 --> 00:34:50,929
feminine and by society's definition

806
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:53,270
I always felt feminine I always felt

807
00:34:59,230 --> 00:34:57,050
female physically I was not female at

808
00:35:02,320 --> 00:34:59,240
birth because the doctor said oh it's a

809
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:02,330
boy he's got a penis and that's kind of

810
00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:05,180
an unfortunate way to define sex or

811
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:08,540
gender I think it's so much more complex

812
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:10,130
than that because of the influence

813
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:12,230
society has on defining masculine and

814
00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:15,770
feminine male female sex and gender so

815
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:17,270
spirit that's a bit of a metaphysical

816
00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:20,030
explanation for us what about more of a

817
00:35:25,329 --> 00:35:23,600
scientific explanation yeah do you have

818
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:25,339
a scientific explanation for it or do

819
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,770
you look for that I'm not qualified to

820
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:29,160
answer that I am

821
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:31,710
well-versed in research on if they're

822
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,650
you know on what you know if there is a

823
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,720
common theme of chemical reactions in

824
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:38,760
the brain that transgender people

825
00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:40,650
experience or transsexual people

826
00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:43,350
experience more than cisgender people

827
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:45,120
I'm not I don't know

828
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:47,310
so something we've been covering a lot

829
00:35:52,340 --> 00:35:49,530
in the show is children with gender

830
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:52,350
dysphoria and what should parents do a

831
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:53,730
lot of parents out there are faced with

832
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:56,220
the four or five year old that says why

833
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,770
do I have a penis yes so having been

834
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:01,440
that four or five year old how do you

835
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,720
feel your parents handled it and what

836
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:05,040
did your advice to parents when the

837
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:07,020
child comes to you with that my parents

838
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:09,690
did not handle it well but I don't blame

839
00:36:14,060 --> 00:36:10,260
them

840
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:14,070
I think if you know your little boy in

841
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,070
your head said that he didn't feel like

842
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:20,160
a boy it would be a little

843
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:22,050
nerve-wracking for a parent to hear that

844
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:24,390
you know they see you as their son their

845
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:27,480
baby boy and so I don't blame my parents

846
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:31,680
at all however I think we're in a

847
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:33,810
country in a society in the United

848
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:39,090
States that is very judeo-christian and

849
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:41,700
as a result of being that

850
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:44,940
judeo-christian country I don't think

851
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:46,830
there is a lot of openness and

852
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,140
discussion in discussions on sexuality

853
00:36:55,610 --> 00:36:52,740
or gender you know we do a lot of work

854
00:36:58,210 --> 00:36:55,620
internationally and most recently I was

855
00:37:01,760 --> 00:36:58,220
in the Netherlands in Amsterdam and

856
00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:01,770
Amsterdam is a very open much more

857
00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:05,640
secular society than we are and as a

858
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,100
result of that those conversations are

859
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:10,950
much more open much more well received

860
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:14,880
by parents and more expected than they

861
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,010
are here in the United States and if a

862
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:19,560
child you know were to present that idea

863
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:22,290
to a parent in Amsterdam or in the

864
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:25,290
Netherlands for instance the parents are

865
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:26,520
going to seek treatment because it's

866
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:28,380
more open it's out in the open the

867
00:37:33,310 --> 00:37:30,990
dialog is there it's okay

868
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,320
I think Arce's that our society is

869
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,240
behind that curve and it's unfortunate

870
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:37,920
but I think we'll get there yeah well

871
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:39,540
that's what I'm hoping to do is open up

872
00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:42,090
that dialog because you know there's

873
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:42,870
extremists on

874
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:45,090
both sides yes and you've got the

875
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:45,960
extremists

876
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,610
maybe it's the religious right what have

877
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:49,440
you that wants to keep it down and in

878
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,080
the closet my concern though also is

879
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:53,760
extremists on the other side that

880
00:37:58,460 --> 00:37:56,460
basically they they it seems to me they

881
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:58,470
want to remove all stigma associated

882
00:38:04,370 --> 00:38:01,140
with transgenderism is 100 percent

883
00:38:05,570 --> 00:38:04,380
support that but in order to remove it

884
00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:05,580
they they want to say that well if the

885
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:06,990
five-year-old comes to you and says that

886
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:09,570
I feel like a girl what you need to do

887
00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:12,390
is immediately embrace that let him wear

888
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:13,860
a dress let him change his name that's

889
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:15,240
the that's the best thing to and that's

890
00:38:20,660 --> 00:38:18,180
what I would say extremists on the LGBTQ

891
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:20,670
side is seem to be telling parents to do

892
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:22,410
do you think that that's the right

893
00:38:27,110 --> 00:38:23,970
approach for parents is to immediately

894
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:27,120
but help this five-year-old who says I

895
00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:29,250
don't know why I have a penis to start

896
00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:31,830
transitioning essentially you know I

897
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,180
think that's a point where you start

898
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:36,000
exploring how serious this sensation is

899
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:40,050
in their head as a parent you know if I

900
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:43,560
were the parent and my daughter said you

901
00:38:47,470 --> 00:38:45,450
know why do I have a vagina I think I

902
00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:47,480
should have a penis at a young age I

903
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:50,670
would probably seek out medical

904
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:53,190
attention to try to diagnose that

905
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,010
mentally and I think letting your child

906
00:39:03,080 --> 00:38:59,520
explore you know dress up or explore

907
00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:03,090
makeup or explore how they see

908
00:39:08,050 --> 00:39:05,790
themselves it's really important I think

909
00:39:10,340 --> 00:39:08,060
self-expression needs to have an

910
00:39:13,580 --> 00:39:10,350
extremely high value placed on it by

911
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:13,590
parents but don't take it too far just

912
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:16,560
because your son is playing with Barbies

913
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:19,530
or your son is interested in wearing

914
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:22,500
your eyeshadow or your or your daughter

915
00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:25,020
is interested in playing on the football

916
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:27,840
team does not mean that they are gender

917
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:30,300
dysphoria I think a lot of diagnosis

918
00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:31,830
needs to go into that and a lot of time

919
00:39:36,350 --> 00:39:34,080
needs to be spent by parents and

920
00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:36,360
physicians and those well-versed in the

921
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,630
community a lot of time needs to be

922
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:41,280
spent making sure that's the right

923
00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:43,350
decision for them never jump to any

924
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:45,870
conclusions because let me tell you I

925
00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:49,380
have straight guy friends that played

926
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:51,270
with Barbies as kids or played dress-up

927
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:54,450
as kids and you know it's not that

928
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:56,090
simple and

929
00:39:59,800 --> 00:39:58,370
I think the extremists to that end that

930
00:40:01,660 --> 00:39:59,810
say oh my god my son's playing with

931
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:01,670
Barbies wearing makeup wants to wear a

932
00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:03,530
dress and needs to start transitioning

933
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:05,960
could be detrimental to his mental

934
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:08,890
health and physical health and you know

935
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:11,090
people with gender dysphoria we have

936
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:12,500
interviewed a number of them for this

937
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:15,170
show I mean this is not a fun thing to

938
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:17,300
deal with right you you had a relatively

939
00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:18,830
smooth transition you said but but still

940
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:22,100
that this is this is a challenge for

941
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,190
people to deal with it is a big

942
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:27,680
challenge not only do you have financial

943
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:30,170
barriers you have to go through a lot of

944
00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:31,700
people choose to go through extensive

945
00:40:36,850 --> 00:40:35,060
medical procedures that are not easy to

946
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:36,860
go through

947
00:40:41,590 --> 00:40:39,440
you have the societal rejection of trans

948
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,600
people you know a trans woman of color

949
00:40:46,090 --> 00:40:43,280
is murdered every two weeks in the

950
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:46,100
United States of America in the UK

951
00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:49,130
there's a 50% attempted suicide rate of

952
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:51,380
trans youth between the ages of 15 and

953
00:40:56,980 --> 00:40:54,800
25 these are serious decisions that

954
00:41:00,220 --> 00:40:56,990
people have to make that have serious

955
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:00,230
consequences often unfortunately death

956
00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:01,730
whether it be through murder or suicide

957
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,240
and it's not easy to go through these

958
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:08,000
things and you know like I said I was I

959
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:12,050
am NOT the rule by any stretch I am by

960
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:14,540
far the exception thank God I'm the

961
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:17,660
exception because I can use my privilege

962
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:20,570
and Caitlyn feels exactly the same way

963
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:24,290
use our privilege to help people that

964
00:41:29,410 --> 00:41:26,330
are representative of representative of

965
00:41:31,150 --> 00:41:29,420
the community so I think this is a good

966
00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:31,160
time to get in religion in politics they

967
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:31,940
say you're not supposed to discuss

968
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:33,770
religion politics but we know each other

969
00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:36,050
well enough now let's get into some

970
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:39,800
religion in politics you were in a

971
00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:41,390
Catholic High School you go to a

972
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:44,750
Christian University mm-hmm so tell me

973
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:46,370
about your personal religious views do

974
00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:49,790
you believe in God I think I'm still

975
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:50,660
figuring that out

976
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:54,470
I grew up Catholic I have tremendous

977
00:42:00,040 --> 00:41:57,530
respect for people's religious beliefs

978
00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:00,050
no matter what they are at the end of

979
00:42:06,580 --> 00:42:03,320
the day I think there is one higher

980
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:06,590
power whatever it is and all of these

981
00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:09,170
man-made religions

982
00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:11,750
you know have caused a lot of turmoil

983
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:14,180
not just in my community but across

984
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:18,050
history obviously so I don't subscribe

985
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:21,410
to one religion or one faith but what I

986
00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:25,220
do see is my Christian brothers and

987
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:27,950
sisters my Muslim brother and sisters my

988
00:42:33,820 --> 00:42:30,890
Jewish brothers and sisters all at the

989
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:33,830
end of the day are praying to the same

990
00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:36,560
higher power there's one power that

991
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:39,980
created you me you whether you're

992
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,290
Christian Hindu Muslim Buddhist Jewish

993
00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:45,440
etc so that's where I'm at I don't

994
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:47,600
believe any faith has all of the answers

995
00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:50,320
I don't subscribe to any faith

996
00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:53,750
specifically and I take a very agnostic

997
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:56,780
approach so most of these face yes

998
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:00,640
basically God created you he has a man

999
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,510
that you're destroying or changing God's

1000
00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:08,480
creation what's your response to that my

1001
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:13,300
response to that is God created me okay

1002
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:17,180
at the time of my birth I had a penis

1003
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:20,590
and as a result of having a penis this

1004
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:23,930
society and medicine has defined that if

1005
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:25,850
you have a penis you're a boy you're a

1006
00:43:30,130 --> 00:43:28,070
male I don't subscribe to that belief I

1007
00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:30,140
believe you can be born with a penis and

1008
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:35,720
be a woman a girl a female and what

1009
00:43:39,070 --> 00:43:36,770
about your University

1010
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:39,080
this is Pepperdine University take a

1011
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:41,890
position on that oh boy do they

1012
00:43:47,830 --> 00:43:44,060
Pepperdine University is Church of

1013
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:47,840
Christ school and while I was president

1014
00:43:55,050 --> 00:43:52,310
my junior year I believe we created our

1015
00:44:00,300 --> 00:43:55,060
first which I was instrumental in doing

1016
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,310
we created our first ever LGBTQ Club on

1017
00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:03,680
campus it was permitted its permitted we

1018
00:44:09,010 --> 00:44:07,550
fought like hell to get it permitted you

1019
00:44:16,859 --> 00:44:09,020
know Pepperdine University has been

1020
00:44:18,269 --> 00:44:16,869
around for 65 70 years and for the past

1021
00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:18,279
five six seven years there have been

1022
00:44:24,299 --> 00:44:20,819
proposals a proposal after proposal of

1023
00:44:27,299 --> 00:44:24,309
getting an LGBT club approved by

1024
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:27,309
ultimately the Board of Regents which

1025
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:29,890
the Board of Regents is the board of

1026
00:44:34,799 --> 00:44:32,049
directors for Seaver College and they

1027
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:34,809
have to approve of controversial clubs

1028
00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:39,849
and LGBT was a controversial Club so you

1029
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:44,859
know that was a big fight and a big

1030
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:46,950
challenge but ultimately we prevailed

1031
00:44:55,019 --> 00:44:51,130
the school said that we could not

1032
00:44:59,339 --> 00:44:55,029
promote gay marriage but we could

1033
00:45:01,200 --> 00:44:59,349
promote living as a LGBT person and we

1034
00:45:03,150 --> 00:45:01,210
could not have vocator gay marriage

1035
00:45:05,279 --> 00:45:03,160
because the Church of Christ doesn't

1036
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:05,289
subscribe to gay marriage I don't know

1037
00:45:12,529 --> 00:45:07,420
what the Church of Christ position is on

1038
00:45:15,749 --> 00:45:12,539
a transgender person but you know I

1039
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:15,759
didn't really care so let's keep taking

1040
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:16,720
through some of these hot button

1041
00:45:22,109 --> 00:45:19,089
absolutely issues are you a woman or are

1042
00:45:24,859 --> 00:45:22,119
you a trans woman I'm a woman yeah I

1043
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:24,869
just might explain that I have a vagina

1044
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:26,950
I've gone through sexual reassignment

1045
00:45:36,329 --> 00:45:33,720
surgery all of my documents say female I

1046
00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:36,339
for all intents and purposes will be

1047
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:40,289
socialized entirely externally as female

1048
00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:43,690
- my first 18 years prior to

1049
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:48,460
transitioning so in my head I am a woman

1050
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:51,190
now you said that you have a vagina as a

1051
00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:52,660
result of reassignment sexual

1052
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:54,460
reassignment that was the more crude way

1053
00:45:59,249 --> 00:45:55,480
of saying I went through sexual

1054
00:46:00,930 --> 00:45:59,259
reassignment surgery so what about

1055
00:46:03,569 --> 00:46:00,940
someone who hasn't been through the full

1056
00:46:05,489 --> 00:46:03,579
surgery could that person be also a

1057
00:46:08,759 --> 00:46:05,499
woman and as opposed to a trans woman

1058
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,769
absolutely so how would you define at

1059
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:10,960
what point do you stop becoming male and

1060
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:13,720
become I I think you get to define who

1061
00:46:18,269 --> 00:46:15,849
you are and I wouldn't jump to say that

1062
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:18,279
I wouldn't jump to define anyone's

1063
00:46:24,089 --> 00:46:20,650
identity for them I would say I am a

1064
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:24,099
woman I identify as a woman my

1065
00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:27,910
experience certainly the society

1066
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:30,220
perceives me as a trans woman and that

1067
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:30,560
doesn't

1068
00:46:35,470 --> 00:46:32,900
offend me but I perceived myself as a

1069
00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:35,480
woman yeah that was something that

1070
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:38,270
Sabrina touched on in her view she will

1071
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:40,670
always be a trans woman but that that's

1072
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:42,710
yeah that that's just a different way of

1073
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:45,890
looking at it yeah definitely yeah and

1074
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,690
you know but it does ultimately touch on

1075
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,000
politics and policies and so on so for

1076
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:51,680
instance like trans athletes that's a

1077
00:46:56,530 --> 00:46:53,750
big yes controversial thing right now in

1078
00:47:00,100 --> 00:46:56,540
high school so if a boy transitions to a

1079
00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:00,110
girl or more yeah boy transitions to a

1080
00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:02,660
girl can you participate in sports

1081
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:05,000
what's your you know I think the Olympic

1082
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:08,450
Committee has done an extraordinary an

1083
00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:10,670
extraordinarily good job on defining

1084
00:47:15,010 --> 00:47:12,980
male and female and they've done this

1085
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:15,020
since the dawn of time ever since the

1086
00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:19,040
early 70s and when Bruce was competing

1087
00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:20,780
in the Olympics I've heard stories of he

1088
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:22,760
would be in the weight room actually my

1089
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:25,610
favorite story of him competing was the

1090
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:29,420
day before the decathlon in Montreal he

1091
00:47:33,820 --> 00:47:31,670
was in the weight room and he's bench

1092
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:33,830
pressing the hell out of whatever huge

1093
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:39,290
heavy weight it was and this lady comes

1094
00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:43,040
in and she's from the Soviet Union and

1095
00:47:47,470 --> 00:47:44,900
she's ripped

1096
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:47,480
she's muscular she's got pimples on her

1097
00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:50,180
back she's got back hair she's looks

1098
00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:52,280
like got a little facial hair but

1099
00:47:58,660 --> 00:47:55,550
technically society would you find her

1100
00:48:01,240 --> 00:47:58,670
as a cyst women just because she was

1101
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:01,250
born with a vagina this woman who may be

1102
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:07,280
doping but you know to answer your

1103
00:48:11,830 --> 00:48:09,950
question I think the Olympic Committee

1104
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:11,840
has done an extraordinarily good job on

1105
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:15,110
defining gender which is sorry it's

1106
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,570
based on hormone levels you've been

1107
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,760
taking the the hormones but this is

1108
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:21,440
where I go we talked a little bit before

1109
00:48:27,460 --> 00:48:25,730
we started about is the movement go too

1110
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:27,470
far is there a risk that the movement

1111
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:29,410
goes too far and there's a backlash

1112
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:32,530
acceptance love non-discrimination

1113
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:35,390
important goals for the community but

1114
00:48:39,070 --> 00:48:37,250
when it starts crossing over and

1115
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:39,080
suddenly people are feeling like you

1116
00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:40,250
know you've got boys who became girls

1117
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:41,150
and now they're winning the state

1118
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,930
championship in track

1119
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:44,880
that therein lies this potential

1120
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:46,410
backlash where people say whoa whoa whoa

1121
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:48,750
what is this put the brakes on this and

1122
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:51,000
you know are we moving beyond simple

1123
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:54,050
acceptance to basically promoting this

1124
00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,960
well we're not promote first of all as

1125
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,579
someone that is on the forefront of

1126
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:01,440
fighting for the transgender movement

1127
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:02,940
and transgender rights for all

1128
00:49:07,579 --> 00:49:05,130
transgender people we are not promoting

1129
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:07,589
people to transition if they are not

1130
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:09,930
meant to transition nobody would go

1131
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:12,660
through a transition unless they really

1132
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,520
felt like it was the right thing to do

1133
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:16,559
with very few notable what yeah okay

1134
00:49:20,359 --> 00:49:18,450
although I would say when going back to

1135
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:20,369
the five year old I do have this concern

1136
00:49:26,359 --> 00:49:22,260
that it is being promoted that the five

1137
00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:26,369
year old should start this transition so

1138
00:49:29,299 --> 00:49:27,990
there is some push out there may not be

1139
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,309
coming from view but I think there are

1140
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:31,920
extremists that there are extremists

1141
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:35,369
certainly there are extremists that do

1142
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:36,750
this under the guise of political

1143
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:38,460
correctness certainly and it may not be

1144
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:41,579
the right choice for their child but to

1145
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:44,040
go through a medical transition to be

1146
00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:46,770
committed to taking these hormones that

1147
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:49,790
alters your physicality tremendously and

1148
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:52,140
you know I think the Olympic I would

1149
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,849
again refer back to the Olympic

1150
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:55,740
Committee setting the standards based on

1151
00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:57,930
hormones what about how what about

1152
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,540
having sports for transgendered people

1153
00:50:06,289 --> 00:50:02,460
why is it so important that the trans

1154
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:06,299
woman compete against other biological

1155
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:11,339
women and beat them in high school well

1156
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:13,770
Jim I can tell you something I cannot

1157
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:16,410
benchpress worth a damn because I've

1158
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:20,040
been on hormones for six five six years

1159
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:24,030
and from my own personal experience you

1160
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:26,490
know I think that the Olympic again

1161
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:28,290
defer back to the Olympic Committee in

1162
00:50:34,339 --> 00:50:32,220
having hormone levels to find what your

1163
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,349
gender is I think that is an extremely

1164
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,720
acceptable solution yeah yeah it's

1165
00:50:40,579 --> 00:50:38,400
definitely a solution it's being adopted

1166
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:40,589
I think tennis has adopted it I think

1167
00:50:45,289 --> 00:50:43,710
NCAA has adopted it but you could also

1168
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:45,299
understand how the average first single

1169
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:48,210
well how did we get from biological sex

1170
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:50,730
being with defined what sport you played

1171
00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:53,640
in to checking hormone levels I mean we

1172
00:50:55,820 --> 00:50:55,020
used to check hormone levels just to

1173
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:55,830
make it used to be

1174
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:56,730
make sure that the person is not

1175
00:51:00,530 --> 00:50:59,160
cheating now that's a fundamental hood

1176
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:00,540
determination as to which side you're

1177
00:51:05,330 --> 00:51:02,220
going to play on well we can look at

1178
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:05,340
Olympians that don't like men sis men

1179
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,070
that have lost testicles and they have

1180
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:10,980
to take testosterone injections in order

1181
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,890
to meet the guidelines of competing as a

1182
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:16,400
male and they don't have to write

1183
00:51:20,570 --> 00:51:18,150
biological parts but they are

1184
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:20,580
biologically male but they don't have

1185
00:51:23,540 --> 00:51:22,140
the correct testosterone level so what

1186
00:51:24,970 --> 00:51:23,550
do we do we put them into the female

1187
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:24,980
category then oh they take the

1188
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:28,140
testosterone medication injections to

1189
00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:29,610
allow them to compete what about this

1190
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:31,470
thing that you know look the world is

1191
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:33,690
not fair not everything is equal we

1192
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:36,660
can't make everything be totally equal

1193
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:38,250
there's some things that some people are

1194
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:39,570
fortunate at and some people are

1195
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:41,730
unfortunate at I wasn't born with enough

1196
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:43,950
height to play in the NBA so you know

1197
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:45,720
they're not gonna just the NBA for me so

1198
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:47,310
what about that suggestion that you know

1199
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,250
we we can't constantly be tinkering

1200
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:52,680
everything to have ultimate equality and

1201
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:55,260
fairness that's you know a very good

1202
00:52:02,180 --> 00:51:55,710
point

1203
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:02,190
NBC show and you know I subscribe to

1204
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:03,990
that also like we're never going to make

1205
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:05,940
everything equal but I think when it

1206
00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:07,910
does come to breaking down sports

1207
00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:10,590
hormones is the number one way to do it

1208
00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:12,780
let me tell you there are super tall

1209
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:15,480
girls there are super short men you know

1210
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:17,940
there are super fast girls there are

1211
00:52:25,610 --> 00:52:21,960
super fast men and I think when we can

1212
00:52:27,590 --> 00:52:25,620
if we have to look to something to deal

1213
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:27,600
with transgender athletes I think

1214
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:29,970
hormones is by far the best answer

1215
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:31,770
having been on hormones for the

1216
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:33,960
appropriate amount of time which I'm not

1217
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:36,090
I don't know that number off the top of

1218
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:39,000
my head but I believe it's 18 months you

1219
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:40,140
know being on hormones for the

1220
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:42,750
appropriate amount of time is sufficient

1221
00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:45,090
if you have to break it down that way

1222
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:47,430
okay back to politics are you a

1223
00:52:52,820 --> 00:52:50,010
Republican uh you know it's been widely

1224
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:52,830
reported that I'm a Republican I don't

1225
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:55,500
know really where that came from well

1226
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,330
hold on a second I've got a quote that I

1227
00:53:02,330 --> 00:52:59,280
dug up now okay they've only been 15

1228
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:02,340
years old no perfect Obama intentionally

1229
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:04,020
is taking down the country brick by

1230
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:06,990
brick interesting I would be where did

1231
00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:10,130
you get that quite a blog talk radio

1232
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:12,270
you recall there being an article about

1233
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:14,190
you when you were 15 and in debate and

1234
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:17,460
so on I I don't know in debate we would

1235
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:20,310
debate international policy issues is

1236
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:21,990
that is that not sound like something

1237
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:23,310
you would have said when you were 15

1238
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:26,010
Obama is tearing the country down brick

1239
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:28,920
by brick you know I could have said that

1240
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:31,740
when I was 15 I'm sure we all say really

1241
00:53:38,570 --> 00:53:36,180
crazy things when were 15 but I you know

1242
00:53:41,330 --> 00:53:38,580
was kind of on a public platform when I

1243
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:41,340
was 15 and you know these debates were

1244
00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:43,230
nationally televised I don't think I

1245
00:53:46,210 --> 00:53:44,430
would have said that in a debate it

1246
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:46,220
sounds like I said it in some interview

1247
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:51,000
I would say I'm not 15 anymore

1248
00:53:55,550 --> 00:53:53,730
I see the world very differently a lot

1249
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:55,560
less black and white than I did when I

1250
00:53:59,900 --> 00:53:57,690
was 15 I would say as someone that

1251
00:54:03,140 --> 00:53:59,910
studied economics and understands the

1252
00:54:05,660 --> 00:54:03,150
benefit of free markets I am much more

1253
00:54:09,140 --> 00:54:05,670
of a libertarian I would not say I'm a

1254
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:09,150
Republican and if I had to say you know

1255
00:54:12,590 --> 00:54:10,920
if I was a Republican or a Democrat I

1256
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:12,600
would say I'm a California Republican

1257
00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:14,850
California Republicans are socially

1258
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,080
liberal we want equality for all we want

1259
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:20,640
welfare programs that are we want

1260
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:23,010
responsible welfare programs we want

1261
00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:26,280
compassionate immigration you know we're

1262
00:54:31,610 --> 00:54:28,860
not the Republicans of Texas we're not

1263
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:31,620
the Republicans of the Midwest so

1264
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:34,070
overall I would say I'm a libertarian

1265
00:54:37,550 --> 00:54:36,540
the Republican Party does not represent

1266
00:54:40,550 --> 00:54:37,560
me at all

1267
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:40,560
so well if you're a libertarian the

1268
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:41,850
Democrat Party doesn't represent you

1269
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:44,310
either no right I mean I'm by the way

1270
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:45,990
I'm with you I'm libertarian you know

1271
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:47,490
liberal socially and conservative

1272
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:48,630
fiscally I think we've proven that

1273
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:50,760
capitalism does wonders in the world as

1274
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:52,980
a businessperson you kind of have to it

1275
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:55,290
make sense to be that way right we want

1276
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,780
social responsibility so so then is it

1277
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:00,000
okay for a trans person to vote

1278
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:03,090
Republican absolutely absolutely

1279
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:05,970
and you know it's okay for a black

1280
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:08,250
person to vote Republican it's okay for

1281
00:55:12,050 --> 00:55:10,740
a Hispanic person to vote Republican

1282
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:12,060
you're not out you're not a one-issue

1283
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:15,180
voter in other words no right no not

1284
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:17,160
because you know Republicans you

1285
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:19,380
identify with in x y&z ways and probably

1286
00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:20,850
Democrats in other ways and you have to

1287
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:22,980
make a balance but when it comes to

1288
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:25,710
Manzi issues yeah certainly most would

1289
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:27,720
say Republicans are not where they are

1290
00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:29,700
not where they should be on trans issues

1291
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:33,140
well I would say a lot of Republicans

1292
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:36,750
are not where they should be on trans or

1293
00:55:43,099 --> 00:55:41,250
LGBT issues you know Donald Trump is a

1294
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:43,109
big disappointment when it comes to

1295
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:46,650
trans and LGBT issues I had a lot of

1296
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:50,640
hope that Trump would be different Trump

1297
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:54,540
got so much Democratic support during

1298
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:55,890
the general election against Hillary

1299
00:55:58,550 --> 00:55:56,520
Clinton

1300
00:55:59,740 --> 00:55:58,560
you heard Democrats saying this is the

1301
00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:59,750
first time I'm voting for a Republican

1302
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:02,940
because he campaigned on being socially

1303
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,530
liberal he campaigned on being

1304
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:07,440
pro-choice he campaigned on being the

1305
00:56:12,260 --> 00:56:10,440
most LGBT friendly guy that Republicans

1306
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,270
would elect he was the first Republican

1307
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,880
to ever support the LGBT community and

1308
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:17,520
his convention speech but they were all

1309
00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:21,450
lies and Trump's a liar and Trump will

1310
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:23,160
do what he needs to do to be reelected

1311
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:26,490
and I do not support Donald Trump by any

1312
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:29,010
stretch of the imagination okay so it's

1313
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:30,810
two years from now and let's say the

1314
00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:33,090
economy is continuing to hum along yeah

1315
00:56:38,810 --> 00:56:35,100
let's say international relations are

1316
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:38,820
are going well Iran is uh you know not

1317
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:40,710
building nukes North Korea deal is in

1318
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:42,780
place you know new trade deals and so on

1319
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:45,300
everything is smooth sailing do you vote

1320
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:49,140
for Trump he'll no because of

1321
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:51,240
what he did on LGBT to you yeah so in

1322
00:56:56,570 --> 00:56:53,369
that sense you can be a one-issue voter

1323
00:56:59,060 --> 00:56:56,580
when it comes to this not just one issue

1324
00:57:00,560 --> 00:56:59,070
voter I think I mean this is not a

1325
00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:00,570
political interview so I don't want to

1326
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:03,390
get too deep into Trump's policies but I

1327
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:08,040
am NOT a one-issue voter that is one

1328
00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:10,710
issue that I do not support him on but

1329
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:12,990
there are a laundry list of other issues

1330
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,960
I don't support come on so yeah a couple

1331
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:17,760
some of the big issues in the Republican

1332
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:20,210
platform is marriage equality yep

1333
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:23,730
they're still on the platform as opposed

1334
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:25,310
to to gay marriage

1335
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,780
what is speaking of marriage what is

1336
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:29,280
your feeling though about the best

1337
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:31,260
environment to raise a child it really

1338
00:57:35,220 --> 00:57:33,390
leads in to transgender parenting and so

1339
00:57:39,810 --> 00:57:35,230
on and

1340
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,820
that the best environment for a child to

1341
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:41,440
be raised in as a loving father and a

1342
00:57:44,790 --> 00:57:42,910
loving mother or you think it could be

1343
00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:44,800
just as good with two mothers two

1344
00:57:52,580 --> 00:57:49,390
fathers trans father etc I think there

1345
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:52,590
are so many children in this world that

1346
00:58:01,050 --> 00:57:57,040
need care need love need support I think

1347
00:58:03,690 --> 00:58:01,060
a gay couple lesbian couple sis couple a

1348
00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:03,700
trans couple assists and trans couple as

1349
00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:06,550
long as they are you know able to love

1350
00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:08,590
that child and give that child what they

1351
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:11,080
need to prosper could actually be a

1352
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,390
really mind opening experience for the

1353
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:15,520
child in you know in 30 years from now I

1354
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:17,950
hope you know that becomes more and more

1355
00:58:23,490 --> 00:58:21,280
of the norm so throughout this children

1356
00:58:26,340 --> 00:58:23,500
has really been my focus you know

1357
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:26,350
because they're innocent and we need to

1358
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:27,430
raise our children progress very

1359
00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:29,050
impression they're our future and very

1360
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:31,060
impressionable so it leaves my question

1361
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:33,940
which is when is the right time to

1362
00:58:43,710 --> 00:58:37,510
discuss transgender with a child Caitlyn

1363
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:43,720
has grandchildren you know I think the

1364
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:45,210
right time varies on a case-by-case

1365
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:52,240
basis I think that every family deals

1366
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:53,430
with it differently

1367
00:59:00,720 --> 00:58:58,240
Caitlyn lived 65 years as Bruce you know

1368
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:00,730
so that's totally different than if I

1369
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:03,130
have a child or I can't have a child but

1370
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:06,970
if I adopt a child then how I would want

1371
00:59:12,750 --> 00:59:08,770
them to address me I'd want them to call

1372
00:59:15,570 --> 00:59:12,760
me Mom you know but Caitlyn is fine with

1373
00:59:17,790 --> 00:59:15,580
being called different things based on

1374
00:59:19,650 --> 00:59:17,800
whatever the child and the grandchild

1375
00:59:22,770 --> 00:59:19,660
was comfortable with and I think

1376
00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:22,780
whatever works for you and your family

1377
00:59:28,890 --> 00:59:25,630
on a case-by-case basis there's no

1378
00:59:32,820 --> 00:59:28,900
rulebook there's no guidelines I think

1379
00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:32,830
we do what makes the trans person

1380
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:35,350
comfortable comfortable but in turn

1381
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:38,770
that's often what makes his children and

1382
00:59:43,530 --> 00:59:41,410
grandchildren comfortable as well but

1383
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:43,540
you know as a result of trans becoming

1384
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:45,970
more out of the closet and so forth yeah

1385
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:48,580
it the issues coming up younger in

1386
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:49,150
younger

1387
00:59:57,050 --> 00:59:53,530
yeah for children so how do you talk

1388
00:59:59,820 --> 00:59:57,060
about it with a six-year-old if the six

1389
01:00:02,130 --> 00:59:59,830
if it's presented you know whether it be

1390
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:02,140
because Caitlyn's grandchildren or the

1391
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:03,610
point the thing I point out in the show

1392
01:00:07,290 --> 01:00:04,930
is that you know we now have the the

1393
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:07,300
gender-neutral bathroom signs and

1394
01:00:10,050 --> 01:00:08,650
there's the picture of a man and there's

1395
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:10,060
a picture of a woman and there's what's

1396
01:00:13,050 --> 01:00:11,890
supposed to depict a transgendered

1397
01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:13,060
person because it's wearing half of a

1398
01:00:16,590 --> 01:00:14,920
skirt yeah I don't you've seen your

1399
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,600
signs they have seen those in Europe

1400
01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:18,640
they're very common in San Francisco

1401
01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:20,230
they banned them because they think it's

1402
01:00:24,660 --> 01:00:23,350
insensitive to trans people well yeah I

1403
01:00:25,830 --> 01:00:24,670
mean it's a little strange I'm the

1404
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:25,840
person with half a skirt I mean what

1405
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:28,090
does that mean I don't know I don't know

1406
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:30,130
if that's necessary I think unisex

1407
01:00:37,230 --> 01:00:32,590
restrooms are totally fine single stalls

1408
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:37,240
are totally fine I was just in London

1409
01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:40,990
last week and you know it was one

1410
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,990
bathroom for everyone just single stalls

1411
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:46,000
and there's you know sinks in the middle

1412
01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:49,030
totally fine if someone wants to commit

1413
01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:51,460
a crime in a bathroom they're gonna

1414
01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:53,320
commit the crime chances are it's

1415
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:54,520
probably not going to be a transgender

1416
01:00:57,390 --> 01:00:55,690
person to begin with

1417
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,400
yeah well it's another example of how

1418
01:01:00,840 --> 01:00:59,200
transgender goes from point zero zero

1419
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:00,850
whatever percent of the population

1420
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:02,050
suddenly mainstream and everybody's

1421
01:01:04,830 --> 01:01:03,370
dealing with yeah now you got bathrooms

1422
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:04,840
with these signs

1423
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:06,370
yeah that have this person on it that

1424
01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:08,890
now suddenly bombs with five or six

1425
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,600
years old and says mommy what does that

1426
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:12,400
mean and now the parent has to explain

1427
01:01:19,830 --> 01:01:16,650
it yeah I think you know I hope that

1428
01:01:22,290 --> 01:01:19,840
trans people that have a platform like

1429
01:01:24,930 --> 01:01:22,300
myself like Caitlyn like Gigi like

1430
01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:24,940
Laverne like Janet mock you know all the

1431
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:27,790
high-profile trans people that children

1432
01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:30,970
are being presented to at a young age or

1433
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:33,670
are being seen in pop culture at a young

1434
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:36,730
age I hope they are just able to accept

1435
01:01:42,090 --> 01:01:39,370
them as people and you know the parent

1436
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:42,100
explains it in the way they best feel to

1437
01:01:48,750 --> 01:01:45,610
explain to a child if I can tell you a

1438
01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:48,760
short little anecdote on that Caitlyn

1439
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:51,640
was doing an interview about six months

1440
01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:54,910
ago and I was in the green room going

1441
01:02:02,820 --> 01:01:57,160
through Twitter looking at the response

1442
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:02,830
from the interview and a mother row

1443
01:02:09,090 --> 01:02:06,130
a tweet at Caitlin and the tweet said

1444
01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:09,100
something like my five-year-old son just

1445
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:11,860
asked me why that lady on television has

1446
01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:14,530
a daddy voice because Caitlin you know

1447
01:02:18,270 --> 01:02:17,080
has a more masculine and I've heard

1448
01:02:20,790 --> 01:02:18,280
people say before that for some reason

1449
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:20,800
children are better at that or it's

1450
01:02:26,970 --> 01:02:23,650
noticing it than adults I think so yeah

1451
01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:26,980
children are very perceptive but you

1452
01:02:32,730 --> 01:02:31,630
know she said her response was oh

1453
01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:32,740
what do I say

1454
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:35,830
but her response was so good and I'll

1455
01:02:42,450 --> 01:02:38,650
never forget this her response was well

1456
01:02:45,150 --> 01:02:42,460
some ladies have daddy voices and I

1457
01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:45,160
think that's case in point of every

1458
01:02:50,910 --> 01:02:49,180
parent has to describe it the way

1459
01:02:53,580 --> 01:02:50,920
they're comfortable describing it to

1460
01:02:56,310 --> 01:02:53,590
their child and of course as a trans

1461
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:56,320
person that's visible and out there I

1462
01:03:00,810 --> 01:02:58,330
would hope they do it in a way that's

1463
01:03:03,570 --> 01:03:00,820
you know supportive and accepting of the

1464
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:03,580
trans experience makes sense last

1465
01:03:07,710 --> 01:03:04,720
question that we were talking about the

1466
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:07,720
transgender community and it seemed like

1467
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:10,720
there were some ostracism of Caitlyn for

1468
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:11,890
some beer time could you just describe

1469
01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:13,570
how do you describe the current

1470
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:15,400
relationship between you and Caitlyn and

1471
01:03:19,050 --> 01:03:16,720
what you consider the transgender

1472
01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:19,060
community the relationship with the

1473
01:03:26,850 --> 01:03:22,180
trans community and Caitlyn has been

1474
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:26,860
rocky but I don't think that

1475
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:29,170
relationship is representative of the

1476
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:32,410
entire trans community I think a few

1477
01:03:39,860 --> 01:03:36,490
voices of haters and naysayers and

1478
01:03:43,860 --> 01:03:39,870
critics of Caitlyn have been elevated

1479
01:03:47,490 --> 01:03:43,870
through social media I don't think that

1480
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:47,500
is the common perception of Caitlyn but

1481
01:03:54,030 --> 01:03:50,470
the trans community has been Caitlyn's

1482
01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:54,040
number one critic the general public is

1483
01:03:58,980 --> 01:03:56,710
much more accepting of Caitlyn than the

1484
01:04:02,640 --> 01:03:58,990
trans community and that's because she

1485
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:02,650
comes from a place of privilege she's

1486
01:04:07,620 --> 01:04:05,110
been so mistress misrepresented by the

1487
01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:07,630
media the media is horrible at

1488
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:09,880
misrepresenting people you know they've

1489
01:04:13,650 --> 01:04:11,710
been calling me a model for two years

1490
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:13,660
because I'm pretty

1491
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:15,850
they said Caitlyn voted for Trump

1492
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:20,200
Caitlyn never even voted for Trump you

1493
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:23,680
know the media is brutal and like we

1494
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:26,110
said again they love to sensationalize

1495
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:27,730
everything like those before and after

1496
01:04:34,790 --> 01:04:31,890
pictures so you know they lift up a

1497
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:34,800
really critical really negative voice

1498
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:36,910
against Caitlyn in the trans community

1499
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:40,330
and that's the narrative suddenly the

1500
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:42,730
trans community all hates Caitlyn which

1501
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:43,690
couldn't be further from the truth

1502
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:45,730
though well the point of the movement it

1503
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:47,710
seems to me is allowing individual to be

1504
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:50,110
themselves yes right and this idea that

1505
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:52,090
everybody should be thinking the same

1506
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:54,910
way yes totally counter to what this

1507
01:04:58,350 --> 01:04:56,530
movement should be all about absolutely

1508
01:05:01,530 --> 01:04:58,360
and that's why when you said does a

1509
01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:01,540
trans person have to vote Democrat or

1510
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:03,840
can a trans person never vote Republican

1511
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:06,610
that's why I said absolutely not a trans

1512
01:05:12,060 --> 01:05:08,770
person can vote however they want to

1513
01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:12,070
vote you know this is not a monolithic

1514
01:05:16,110 --> 01:05:14,470
group of people this is not a group of

1515
01:05:18,180 --> 01:05:16,120
people that has all had these same

1516
01:05:21,420 --> 01:05:18,190
experience this is not a group of people

1517
01:05:23,970 --> 01:05:21,430
like any demographic that has the same

1518
01:05:25,650 --> 01:05:23,980
view on everything or the that's had an

1519
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:25,660
experience that's informed their view to

1520
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:28,210
be the same trans people are very

1521
01:05:33,690 --> 01:05:30,370
diverse in their experience beliefs and

1522
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:33,700
opinions and we should all be allowed to

1523
01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:37,210
express those well said Sophia thank you

1524
01:05:40,340 --> 01:05:38,980
so much thank you so much so nice to